Is This Fair?
June 24th 2008 -
*Rephrase* My bad, the numbers are confusing. Figure changed.
Scenario:
A group of seven (7) friends travel up to Penang for a trip. Four (4) of them book a room to stay overnight. The other three (3) will be leaving the same day. But at one point during the day, all of them will hang out in the hotel room for a while.
In your opinion, is it fair for the three (3) that are not staying to chip in for the room cost?
What do you think? Feel free to comment.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:54 am
What you mean by remaining 4? The 4 that will be staying? Have to see whether before the trip there’s already plan to stay and book for the accommodation. If yes, then all eight should chip in whether staying or not staying. If before that there’s no plan for accommodation, then only the 4 staying need to chip in and the 4 that’s not staying need not pay.
June 24th, 2008 at 9:32 am
i jz think dat the 8 person can all go in and they jz share the bill… like what simon said, what u mean by remaining 4? and elaborate more on it lo haha
June 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Obviously , it’s not fair to chip in on the accomodation costs. travelling costs, then it’s okay to chip in . But, I think like joshuaongys said, pls elaborate about the situation. There seems to be something missing.
June 24th, 2008 at 9:46 am
If they are hanging out in the room, you might have a valid excuse to ask them to chip in on the accomodation costs. But, I think I’d rather not do that. I think people might see you as a “stingy” person to charge them on this.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Simon: Okay, this is rather confusing. I’ve rephrase the whole scenario and changed the numbers.
Before going, the 3 that are not staying already told before hand that they are not planning to stay. The one who booked the room are the 4 who are going to stay. The 3 just tag along for the trip. But at one point they all going to hang out in the same room.
June 24th, 2008 at 10:22 am
IMHO, the 3 not staying overnight doesn’t have to pay at all as when you check into a hotel, the cost you’re paying is for the overnight stay.
Just because the 3 was hanging out in the room with the 4 other people doesn’t mean that they are obligated to chip in for the 4 people’s overnight stay.
This is like asking the 3 person (driving their own car) to the same location that the 4 people is going (in a cab) to chip in for the cab fare as well. You got the logic?
or having the 3 person (not eating) to chip in for the 4 person (eating)’s meal @ a restaurant. You got what I mean?
If the 4 people is going to be so calculative, might as well don’t hang out in the same room and go Starbucks or something where they can just sit down for FREE until the 4 decides to go back and sleep @ the hotel. :p
June 24th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I think it’s probably a matter of a few bucks… If the price has been shared by 4, dividing it further will really make little difference.
Now it depends very much what you mean by “hang out in the room”. 4 people sleeping in a room for 4 people is much different from 7 people sleeping in the same room. Obviously it’s gonna be overcrowded and potentially nobody will be able to sleep.
So if the 4 people are fine with the trade off induced by letting 3 extra people in the room, I see no point in charging. If they are not fine with the trade off and are not willing to give up on sleeping, then just tell the other guys to get themselves a room.
I think the point in this question is not so much about the extra money spent by a few but rather the compromise done in regards to comfort (sleep, can or not? maybe cannot)
Ah ah … Just my little 2 cents
June 24th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
1st of all, i agreed with wat michael said. some add on point here. wat is the relationship between this 7 friends? does they have 2 kira so clearly? it was just a happy trip 2 penang rite? y 1 2 kira so clearly……
June 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
I do agree though that this is really a lot of discussion for peanut money…
You got to weigh what matters most between asking for peanut money and certainly getting it, but at the price of hurting your friend, if not losing him…
Happy mind masturbating
June 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I would say a NO.
But, if u really want to have a fair deal…. then…
Let’s make it fair, the remaining 3 shall be bounded with the amount of hours they are partying in the room with all.
Since this is part of the planned activity, i think all shall be responsible to share it out….
But one thing, if everything got more tension, or too calculative, or disagreements u might end up losing another party friend ……
Gd luck in your quest….
June 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
federick: “Hang out in the room” strictly in a hang-out sense. No sharing of sleeping space. The 4 who will be staying overnight still have their rooms only to themselves.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
kevin: The 7 people are colleagues who planned the trip to penang together. It’s a day-trip for 3 of them while the other 4 book a room to stay overnight in.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Err in my humble opinion……..what was the original plan for the 4 ppl shud remain at that. If the other 3 feels like chipping in then its at their discretion. If the 4 demanded the 3 to chip in that would be like a little harsh. Hanging out in the room together shudnt be such a big deal.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I agree with Frederic, money does not seem to be the issue.
If going to room is not for sleep then you might as well all go out n get a starbuck drink for same price!!
If you re looking for a nap then share price will not make you sleep better if too crowded.
Thus get new room shared by the remaining 3.
If no room is available at hotel then need to reconider if sleeping is the priority of if helping the 3 remaining friends to get a nap before going back was the gesture intended by the 4 who already ooked the room.
Hope we’re helping you, Celine.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
thierry: No, the 3 are not going to the room for sleep. They’re not looking for a place to spend the night. They’re going to the hotel room to hang out with the other 4 because they’re all a group of friends. The 4 booked the room because the 4 intend to spend the night. So, would it be fair for the 4 to ask the 3 who are not staying to share their bill for the hotel room simply because the 3 will be going to that room just to hang out?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Here is an analogy. I go to penang for a day-trip. My friend is staying at a hotel there. I drop by his hotel room and we hang out there for a while. Then as I am leaving, he asks that I share to pay the cost of his room because I “used” it.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
O.O Sure la not fair.. T_T *sigh*
pity anyone who has to pay for hanging out with his or her friends..
i do hope that it doesn’t happen again..
cheer up.. *winks*
June 24th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
I don’t think it’s fair, seriously.
I’ll go real blur if I’m in that situation. I mean, if my friend asked me to share in paying the cost, it wouldn’t make much sense to me cause I was just hanging around like socializing, you know.
And another thing, usually if 4 have decided to stay and chip in, they should have pay because they made the decision (and book the room).
It’s not fair again, because they didn’t tell Kevin in advance that he would need to pay if he hang around. They should let him know first. But of course, if they knew it in advance, they wouldn’t have want to hang around, coz it’s expensive leh
What do you think, Celine?
June 24th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
As long as the 3 of them are not sleeping in, then obviously no need to pay. Cause I am sure the 3 of them are just there to teman the other 4 guys to chit chat.
Whats the point of going to penang, and I go my way, and you go your way rite ? These 2 groups have to meet up somewhere at some point. It just happen the hotel room seem to be the meet up place.
In the future, it would be more wise to “hang out” in the lounge, or something like that.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:26 am
come on, dont be such a tight ass,at least you will still get your full space bed at night
, learn to be more generous
June 25th, 2008 at 9:31 am
I think some of you misunderstood the whole scenario. Not staying means won’t be sleeping, which also means won’t be using the bed. Which also means will be going back on the same day.
On the other hand, the one who are staying will be using the bed to sleep and spend the night, then only go home the next day.
But both will be hanging out in the room. (e.g. play games, chill out, etc.)
Question: Should the one not staying share the room cost of those who are staying?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
If i was in the group of 4, i certainly wouldn’t ask the group of 3 to chip in or pay. They are just going to be there to hang out and possibly, use the toilet etc only mah.
If the group of 4 want the group of 3 to pay, that would really be tooo calculative. Don’t have to be so giam gua?
Hmm.. are these 7 colleagues, friends? i.e. hang out outside work etc.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
play games with friends also must pay for the space they used ?
I guess thats too much.
June 26th, 2008 at 9:23 am
wombak: The 7 are college mates.